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. >> now let's go back in history before heller. when the decision came down, it was considered a fundamental shift. having studied the cases the history of the second amendment the comma there the preparatory words are a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state. people thought well, we'll permit you to own guns as it receipts to the militia not individual use. what would that, the early interpretation and if so, what happened? >> in truth the americans have had the right to bear articles in both state and federal constitutional law for a long time. regardless of the second amendment, virtually every state protects the right of individuals to have guns for personal protection in their state constitution. the founding fathers wrote the second amendment in part because they were fearful of having government completely disarm the citizenry. they also had gun control laws. they didn't view the second amendment as a libertarian license for anyone to have any gun anywhere they wanted. >> there were gun control laws way back when, when our founding fathers

with the heller decision, the 2008 decision by justice scalia that says there is an individual right that you felt that the right result for the wrong reason. >> guest: i do agree that it's an individual right and i think history shows that but what the hell are decisions that was first of all, it's inconsistent. at one point scalia's opinion says according to the cruickshank decision, as we have said kneisley, it's not a right granted by the constitution. i think that davis says the second amendment conferred the right. well, how can it not be remanded by the constitution but the second amendment confers the right and he says was primarily about self-defense. nowhere in the debates about the second amendment back in the 18th century do you find much emphasis on individual self-defense. as we said previously that's not the reason for it. that's not the reason why the second amendment was written and put into the bill of rights. so i think the reasoning is specious but the conclusion is valid as an individual right so then what do you do? scalia goes on to say, that doesn't mean that it can be regu

said in your book you agreed with the heller decision, the 2008 decision, by justice scalia, that said there is an individual right unrelated to any militia. you said right result, wrong reason. >> i agree it's an individual right and history shows that. but what the heller decision said was -- first of all, it's inconsistent. at one point scalia's opinion says, accordingly, crookshank decision, as we have said, the supreme court has said previously, it's not a right granted by the constitution. then a few paragraphs later he says the second amount conferred the right. well, how can it not be grant by the constitution but the second amendment confers the right? and he says, it was primarily about self-defense. well, nowhere in the debates about the second amendment in the 18th century do you find much emphasis on individual self-defense, as we said previously. that not the reason for it. it's not the reason why the second amendment was written and put into the bill of rights. so i think the reasoning is specious but the conclusion is valid. it is an individual right. so then what do yo

that we received from david heller who is the president of our greater geary boulevard merchants and property owners association. so, i'll just read this letter for you. the greater geary boulevard merchants and property owners association wholeheartedly supports the continuation of the outside lands music and arts festival. we appreciate the remarkable contribution this single event makes to our merchants, employees, and the city of san francisco each year. our businesses cover an expansive area from van ness to the ocean. we see a substantial increase in foot traffic and sales for aye two-week period around the festival. this event brings us customers from outside the bay area who are introduced to our restaurants, cafes, hotels, bank, salons, florists and service stations for the first time. the fiscal impact of new customers is palpable. this festival has brought dramatic increases in revenue each year in august. the economic boost is felt by a wide variety of businesses for the week before and after the event. our merchants, property owners and employees appreciate much need

over there by the atlantic heller. i asked a world war ii veterans a pretty simple question -- i said, how is your day going? he looked at me with the utmost sincerity in his eyes and said, i could die a happy man now that i have made this trip. that answer was the beginning of an incredible journey for me. it served as an inspiration to make a documentary about communities across the country that have pulled together to send these veterans, now in their 80s and 90s, to see the memorial. these trips are called on our flights, and as many of you know, honor flight is a nonprofit organization that was started by earl morris. it flies world war ii veterans out here to see this beautiful memorial at no cost to the veterans. they fly from 117 cities from across the country and had flown over 100,000 veterans to date. for the past two years, by business partners and our team at freethink media have followed the veterans from the stars and stripes organization in milwaukee. there are two veterans here today that are amazing guys who have become my friends. there is julian. [applause] julian

to overthrow gun-control regulations just because of heller and mcdonald. >> host: succumbing you've got this new definition of the second amendment, and again, one level i thought was like are giving companies angels can dance on the head of the pen the real issue is are there things that we can do to help make our communities safer? i came at the issue has a mayor and 14 indiana we had rising crime and strengthening the police report what pushing for the stronger law but also realizing we made it dangerous for people to get guns and sometimes they were outbidding the police department, so i knew that sort of fits in to where you have gone with the book, too. >> guest: what we need to do is have that kind of discussion. instead what usually happens after an atrocity light aurora is politicians on all sides that for the violence and the deaths and then we move on and we need for -- we wait for the next one to be the new york city mayor bloomberg of course is one of the heads of the mayor against illegal guns which the nra has described as its worst enemy. they started in 06 with about 50

and other federal enclaves. when the heller case which recognized the individual right under the second amendment came down, the quote we had from barack obama talked about guidance to local jurisdictions so what's up with that? what's up with that is he's a constitutional law professor realized the next step would be the 14th amendment issue, which is applying this individual right to have a gun and announced in heller to state and local governments. >> i'm going to say that obviously, the amendmentment is congress won't make a law and we see it play out with mf of these things that there's a fires federal test case. the idea that if the principal exists for federal law we'll incorporate it to states and states can't make a law that violate this is. >> the original bill of rights reflected fear of the central government the entire bill of rights is about congress and the federal government. after the civil war, a new bill of rights, basically emerged saying that states have misbehaved and we need to regulate them. they have fundamental rights. the language is no state shall make or enf

amendment. i read heller before i came on. i heard so much stupid commiptary. and i would like to people to pause. this is not a question of what in the constitution . it is a question of what is in the institution. they can make a proposal but they can't repeal the constitution. i understand the irony and talking about the media. but going back to when nbcaired that virginia tech killer tape, since then, there is a role for the media to act responsibly. and not to cover and send a message that immortality awaits anyone who is deed and if they pick up the gun and slaughter innocents. we are not doing it the right way. >> i thank you both for a thoughtful conversation and some of the is reckless and irresponsible andly omitting the pain. >> coming up. investigators who piece together the shooter adam lanza and trove the twept year old to commit they hadinous crime. how is law enforcement getting to the tragedy. to the tragedy. that and sometimes life can be well, a little uncomfortable. but when it's hard or hurts to go to the bathroom, there's dulcolax stool softener. dulcolax stool soft

answer here, but this 2008 opinion, the heller decision, which was about handguns, that has not really been extended -- no one exactly knows where it goes from there. >> right. >> if obama has more appointments and if the conservatives don't have the power that they do now, that could be contained. it could be applied only to handguns. but if president romney had had the opportunity or president paul ryan in a few years gets the opportunity to appoint justices to the supreme court, that could be expanded. the limits of the second amendment are not clear at this point. the supreme court has not really spoken on it. that's one of the reasons why it's so important, who appoints whom to the supreme court. >> at what point is gun violence in america a public health threat, right? you talk about the freedom, the freedoms we have in this country where the public health risk, 30 some thousand people killed every year. cdc says it's $38 billion, the cost of society of gun violence. >> what's so astonishing about the debate of gun violence, it's different from the '90s when i first started cover

in god, you know, praise jesus. >> bill: no, just quoting her grandfathers. she is quoting heller grandfathers. >> she is offering an historic account of what got them through their service in vietnam. they prayed for peace, prayed to god for strength. now, that is historical account of what happened. so, are we now at the point in our schools where if somebody dropped down on their knees in history and prayed to god to get them out of a tough situation we can't mention that because the word god can never be uttered. that's what this school district concluded. >> bill: the west marion elementary school and violation of the little girl's freedom of speech. we are going to follow both of these stories, ms. megyn will. there is plenty more ahead as the factor moves along this evening. crazy situation in honolulu are we facing a growing anti-christian bias in america? jesse watters on how much americans really know about christmas in a watters world. we hope you stay tuned to those reports. >> bill: culture warrior segment. diminish the federal holiday of christmas. the latest in hawa

in the heller case that law-abiding americans have constitutional rights to own firearms, whether for self-protection, hunting, competitive shooting, or any other proper purpose. that is now the law. but the supreme court has also made clear that the government can appropriately impose sensible regulation, just ast can in many other areas of constitutional rights, on how firearms are used and purchased. and everyone would agree that criminals and deranged people should not be able to get their hands on firearms. on all of these issues, we have to look for sensible common ground, rooted in common sense. and bieve there is room for people of good will to work together to find it. even as i say that, i am mindful that issue involving the second amendment rights and violence have in the past fueled ep passions, suspicions and passions have run deep and wide on both sides of this debate, including in this chamber, and there's a lot of distrust to overcome. i am here today to keep faith with the people of newtown who have grabbed my arm and said we have to do something, and that is my commitment

that things have changed and recognize they have created an expansion of the second amendment under heller, do you think they'll uphold the bans on semiautomatics or the size of magazines as being discussed now as the next steps in gun control. >> i think all the proposals would survive supreme court scrutiny. there is no doubt that universal background checks on every gun purchaser is constitutional permissible. the court said we can ban felons and the mentally ill from getting their hands on guns. universal background checks is a way to see to it that they don't get their hands on guns. i think the supreme court is likely to uphold the law. the court said guns in common use for protection while someone could use an ar 15 for self defense, they're not primarily used for self defense in america. >> eliot: bring back the 19 20's as you describe t it was a moderating force and it would an moderating force in our law. professor and author of " "gunfight." thank you for your insights. >> thank you for having me. >> eliot: next, cliff watching are we suddenly taking a dive? more "viewpoint" coming

now? be set in your book you agreed with the heller decision by justice scully at that site is an individual on related in the militia, but you thought they came up with the right result for the wrong reasons. >> guest: i do agree it's an individual right and history shows that. with the decision said this first of all it's inconsistent. at one point, scully is opinion says quoting the cruickshank decision, as we have said previously, it is not a right granted by the constitution. a few paragraphs later says the second amendment conferred the right. how can that be great to buy the constitution that the second amendment confers the right. and it is primarily about self-defense. nowhere in debates about the second amendment in the 18th century do you find much emphasis on individual self-defense as we said previously that's not the reason for it. that's not the reason why the second amendment was written and put into bill of rights. so the reasoning is specious, but the conclusion is valid. so then what do you do? escalator goes on to say, that doesn't mean it can't be regula

amendment rights. listen, the second amendment has been decided. it's been decided in the heller case. there is a right to own guns in our country and we need to respect that. the fact is, there are things we can do with a deep inherent respect for the second amendment and lindsey graham's love of hunting and love of shooting and his belief in the second amendment to save lives and prevent tragedies and just to cut off that conversation just in the name of, you know, it's an infringement on my rights, it's irresponsible leadership, actually. you know, there are things that we can do to prevent many of the 32 gun murders that happen every day without doing anything contradictory to the second amendment. the american public wants to have that conversation. this is a frank luntz poll, 74% of nra members support criminal background checks. because nra members like average americans realize that that has nothing to do with the right of a law-abiding citizen to responsibly own a gun. these are the terms on which we have to have this conversation. and we need to hold people like lindsey grah

? because i'd like to remind you of one thing. justice scalia said in the heller decision, like most rights the second amendment is not unlighted. -- not unlimited. he said, it is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever for whatever purpose. from the high priest of the supreme court of conservatism himself. why doesn't that create some room for current conservatives like ronald reagan did in 1994 to back an assault weapons ban? >> the issue is, are you going to be punishing law-abiding gun owners with these kind of regulations? there are plenty of people who own these guns who have a right to own these guns who are not part of the problem. are you punishing those people who have a right to own those guns because there are crazies out there that you are not affecting with an assault guns weapon? there is nothing about this that touches mental health -- >> do i really need so shoot 30 bullets at one time? is 10 okay? >> who is presumptuous enough to determine what that number is for law-abiding gun owners? >> again, this is part of its own issue. -- this w

, talked about unusual and dangerous weapons being permitted to be regulated. so i think heller really offers congress an opportunity to get serious, show some backbone, take advantage of the existing constitutional law, what the tragedy means, what comes out of connecticut, and take action in dealing with arms regulation. i think the opportunity is there. i think they can get it done. >> richard, what would meaningful gun control legislation or laws look like that would get by the supreme court? >> that's a great question, miguel. we're going to find that out in the next year or so. justice scalia also talked about the enshrinement of our constitutional right to bear arms. in any event, i think the areas will really focus on enhanced reporting of mental health issues and hopefully better mental health treatment because that really should be the number-one focus to preventing crimes such as what occurred up in newtown, because i think most people who are licensed to carry guns or who possess guns are not going to get involved in the types of crimes and mass slaughters that we've been r

they approved the earlier one, didn't they? isn't there a precedent. >> even after the heller decision the supreme court told us there were reasonable limits that congress could impose when it came to firearms. there are two groups that i think are essential to the success of this effort. first, sportsmen and hunters. let me tell you, chris, i know plenty of them in my family and all around downstate illinois. they're good people. they're good citizens. they hate what happened in newtown, connecticut, as much as we do. we need them as part of this conversation. and the second group that has to step up is law enforcement. there was a time when they spoke out against these terrible weapons of death. we need them again to be part of this conversation. >> well, i would ask why would anybody out there want the criminal to be heavier armed than the policeman. he's got a little 9 millimeter or .38 police special and somebody comes in with an assault rifle. let's go back to the sportsmen. do you think the sportsmen you know and are organized in illinois, do you think they would support a limit

public's public opinion and because of the supreme court decision such as heller. >> a couple things though. when we talk about grover norquist we know behind the scenes members were calling norquist to say, hey, i'm still with you, buddy, right? and when we talk about the nra, one of the things that strikes me is we've seen these polls that suggest like 74% of nra membership don't agree with the leadership. but when are they going to step up and do something? that's part of the problem here. >> i'm not going to disagree with you in the sense that, yes, i think the national rifle association is an incredibly powerful lobby. there's no doubt about it. >> on both sides of the aisle. >> part of the reason they're powerful is a lot of people believe what they believe, and there are a lot of americans all across the country who, you know, don't want big brother registering their guns or knowing -- >> knowing they're a criminal and are trying to buy multiple guns and ammo? >> i think most americans certainly would want to know that. and i think you should have to show your license. >> jame

of handguns within the home. that is what the heller case was about. the government can't do that. but it starts to get murkier when it's about other weapons than handguns and outside the home. it seems pretty clear that automatic weapons, semiautomatic weapons, assault rifles, those can be regulated. the issue of whether they can be regulated in terms of can you have concealed, carry them in a concealed way or carry them openly is also an open question. but this is an area of where the law is changing a lot and tends to be moving in the direction of less regulation of firearms. so that's something congress is going to have to think about if and when it decides to pass any law. >> jeffrey, listen to what dr. drew pinsky just told me this hour here in "the situation room." i'll play the clip and then we'll discuss. >> so much of what people are talking about is the inability to enroll rational gun laws because of fear of suits by the legal system for god forbid anybody asking questions about somebody's previous history if they want to have a weapon. and i think this is ridiculous.

on the other side acknowledge that, yes, there's a second amendment right. and, by the way, the heller decision now makes that the law of the land so i hope our folks who are progun realize that no one's going to take their guns away. before the heller decision, you know, there was a view, every bit of gun control is a way to eventually confiscate the hunting rifle that your uncle tommy gave you when you were 12 years old. but there's the heller decision and that's a bulwark against it. and i think those of us on the pro--gun control side should accept it. it's only fair, it's only right. the second amendment is in the constitution just as the others are and deserves respect, not an endless effort to chip away at it. but then our colleagues on the pro-gun side should admit another thing and that is that no amendment is absolute. as important as it is, as constitutional, as enshrined as it is, no amendment is absolute. take the first amendment. well, can't falsely scream "fire" in a crowded theater because that creates such danger. that's an impingement on someone's first amendment rights. we ha

supreme court decision, heller decision, that confirmed there is an individual right to bear arms, that that would prevent congress from placing restrictions. no, it doesn't. the supreme court has held that the second amendment permits people to keep weapons in their house for self protection, but it doesn't say anything about high-capacity ammunition magazines. it doesn't say anything about what kinds of guns we're allowed to keep. certainly well reasoned restrictions are perfectly legal under the second amendment. >> if tougher gun laws are passed by congress that outlaw the assault rifles and those large ammunition clips that unfortunately we've had to talk so much about, what would this mean for the gun owners who currently have them? >> well, this is an important question. i think when we talk about gun control, we ultimately -- really, it's a political question. there are 450 million firearms in america at this moment. there's a huge amount of weaponry out there. some of those are these -- what we call assault weapons, gun enthusiasts say they're just sort of rifles that you

of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell. she is a huge fan in jane heller. >> jane heller said she looked extraordinarily elegant last night. >> you were remarkable last night on television. >> when andrea mitchell is involved in anything, it upgrades the elegance. >> made me feel better. >> we had to counter you somehow. >> that's why we brought her on. so under fire, rice ends her bid to succeed hillary at state. and this is the lead. president obama knew before he picked up the phone on thursday afternoon what susan rice, his ambassador to the united nations, was calling about. she wanted to take herself out of the running for secretary of state and spare him a fight. and that's exactly, mika, what she did. >> so brian williams asked her about this, and here's a little bit more of her explanation of how this happened. oh, we're standing by because -- what? you guys don't have the sound bite? okay. >> i guess so. >> so let's roll it. >> i've done sunday shows many times in the past. secretary clinton had originally been asked by most of the networks to go on. she had had an incre

're not going to take people's guns away. we need to live within the framework of heller and stop dreaming of these all-out bans and respect people's right to keep and bear arms within limits. so i think that's a fascinating move by chuck schumer. very pragmatic. >> schumer is showing more and more the potential to be a real senate leader. he's behind dick durbin, but if dick durbin were to move on to another post, ever join the cabinet or do something else, schumer would be right there, really running things in a way that harry reid doesn't often exhibit. >> a very pragmatic, i think, approach, what schumer is saying in "the post," and helpful for what i was saying before, the joe manchin coalition will get this thing done if it is feinstein, boxer, schumer, it won't. it just won't get done. >> we should point out it's dianne feinstein who led the way back had she was just in the senate and proved all of the old guard wrong, that she could get something accomplished. >> we'll see. i don't think it will happen this time unless there are conservatives and moderates on board as well. >> part

there is an individual right to bear afrms. this is the heller case. in 2010, that right is extended so that it plies not against the federal government but against the states. that's from the gun control perspective the bad news. the good news, i think this often gets lost in these debates. is that no constitutional right is absolute. so let's think about the first amendment. i have a right to free speech. that's a fundamental right. but that doesn't mean i can yell obscenities at you during the show. the fact that i have a second amendment right doesn't mean i can bring a handgun into 30 rock. all of these rights do is to shift the burden on the government to come up with a sufficiently compelling interest in order to override the right that i have. >> it does feel like under almost -- the one problem that happens when we focus on a single case when we're talking about gun control is, then we just start talking about that case. in the case of kassandra perkins, it's almost impossible to imagine from my perspective when we wouldn't allow individuals to have in their own home a licensed handgun, righ

is by peter heller. >> empires california's will soon get free cell phones. the state public utilities commission said the pro the federal cellphone giveaway program designed help the homeless and other impoverished people stay connected to family, friends and potential employers. assurance wireless organizer of on distribution. the product the program should be in place next year. >> here is a beautiful look at the approach to the bay bridge. we will be right back. >> we saw temperatures that were darn near freezing in some spots. a quick look ahead we have rain on tap for today mainly by the coast. showers will be with us into next week, we will break that down in detail. temperatures at the moment 35 and pleasanton 37 in livermore 37 in santa rosa and nevado with a mix of upper 30's and low for is authorities and the peninsula and the south bay. the mainstream theme going forward is the frost advisory is in effect for the next few hours. for the rain that we are seeing on satellite and ready are just a little patch of that. we had showers to our north of that dissipated quite a bit.

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rifles that would not be banned under proposals. host: how important is the heller case from 2008? guest: enormously important. the decision came out in 2008 and struck down what was a total ban on firearms in d.c. this is the first time really the supreme court has not said unambiguously that this is -- that there is a second amendment right that individuals have fire arms. that has to manifest. one is as long as the supreme court has the current makeup, insurers there can never be a total gun ban or confiscation. on the other hand, the supreme court has said certain kinds of gun restrictions are ok. they said explicitly it is ok to prohibit felons from running fire arms. gun-control from the supreme court perspective is on the second minute, but only on the second amendment. host: please go ahead with your question, charles. caller: i have a few comments. my biggest complaint about this, for example, i own a ar15. it came from the factory with a 30 round magazine. i basically bought it for target shooting and home defense. the thing that really irritates me is you walk into a gun show,

it as a right enshrined in the second amendment. in my own part, i believe heller is wrongly decided it doesn't make much sense both in historical context but that's just me. i'm not a supreme court justice. people view it as right. other people view it as a public safety issue. one of the things i have learned being around gun safety activists because my father is in that world. a lot of those folks are emergency room doctors. they are the kin survivors of victims of gun violence. and they've seen the ravages of it. is there a way of squaring the circle between these two, if we were to approach the gun issue in this country, obviously, there's a legislative angle, but also as the way that we approach smoking. the way that we approached seat belts. which is as something that we need to undertake a massive kind of public health cultural campaign. >> exactly. >> right. there's the legal aspect of it, but we've actually been relative successful both through legal means and consuultural means of stigmatizing smoking. deeply stigmatizing that there's a cultural framework. is that what we need? the

amendment amended? guest: the supreme court got it right when they ruled in the case of heller. they said, there is a right to own a gun in this country. there are about 250 to to hundred 50 million guns in private hands. -- to 350 million guns in private hands. what we believe is that within the findings of the supreme court ruling, there is plenty of room for some new gun laws of a really help to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. host: such as? guest: got to close the gun show loophole. the second thing we have to do is fix the background check system. there is still a lot of data not in the system. then there are a variety of other things we believe could be done to make guns safer. we have technology that keeps your atm card safe, keeps your car for being operated without a key. there's plenty of technology available to the gun industry. that would make an enormous impact. host: we have set aside our fourth line for gun owners to hear your views on our conversation. user 2-585-383 -- 2024585-3883. -- 202-585-3883. caller: i plan on opening the law of the land. the first step on

. he began his career as an associate at heller-erman where he worked on complex commercial litigation cases. in 1996, he joined the l.a. office of the federal public defender for the central district and he represented indigent defendants in court. in 2006, he became the directing attorney for the riverside branch office where he supervises a team of attorneys, investigators, paralegals and administrative staff. he served on the board of directors for the federal bar association, the england empire chapter since 2006, and he's dedicated his time to working with at-risk youth. confirming a judge to the central district's eastern division comes not a moment too soon. riverside county has 23% of the central district's population but out of the 25 active judges, there is only one active judge sitting in riverside. the people of riverside need another judge. i'm proud it will be jesus bernal, a highly respected member of that community. i want to thank the senate judiciary committee on which the president serves, for this amazing support. i want to thank president obama for moving this rec

was trying to illustrate. >> d.c. has had very strict gun laws and we know about the heller case that went to the supreme court. does that play into this will conversation at all? >> well, it does because the held are case as you points out in 2008, that was the very important supreme court decision that said the second amendment gives individuals the right to bear arms. and justice scalia's opinion said the firearms at issue in that case were handguns in the home for self protection. the question of what other handguns -- what other guns, what other firearms are protected by the second amendment is very much up in the air at this point. and so the idea of how many weapons a state or the district of columbia or the federal government can prohibit is an unsettled legal question at this point. justice scalia said certainly the government can regulate big weapons, but just what that means. and i think that's one of the subjects you'll hear a lot about when congress starts talking about gun control when it reconvenes next month. >> a very gray area. thanks so much. always good to see you, jeff

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